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Hebrews 12:11

in Hebrews 12

No discipline seems enjoyable at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it yields a harvest of righteousness and peace to those who have been trained by it.

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The same verse in ASV and KJV ▾

ASV

All chastening seemeth for the present to be not joyous but grievous; yet afterward it yieldeth peaceable fruit unto them that have been exercised thereby, even the fruit of righteousness.

KJV

Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

This verse in Hebrews 12

Commentary

18 notes on this verse

A commentator

Oecumenius

The Pseudo-Oecumenian Catena on Hebrews · Written before 550.

"to what seemed right to them."What seems good to the father does not always benefit the son: for often they teach even disgraceful arts. "however, here for our benefit." Moreover, God always seeks our effectiveness. For He does not bestow as if to receive something …

This site's exposition

No discipline seems enjoyable

The verse grants that discipline is painful at the time. It then names a harvest of righteousness and peace to those who have been trained by it. Trained is gumnazo, the word of the gymnasium behind the chapter's athletic language.

The record, by era

The Church Fathers5 voices

A commentator

Ephrem the Syrian

COMMENTARY ON THE EPISTLE TO THE HEBREWS · Written before 373.

proposed

They gain a profit from it: their reward is justice. Paul said this in order to prove that even though they gain a profit through discipline, their reward and grace is constituted by justice.

A commentator

Cosmas Indicopleustes

The Christian Topography, Book 5 · Written before 550.

proposed

For no chastening, saith scripture, seemeth for the present to be joyous but grievous: On those accordingly, who have been rationally tested, he has decreed to bestow afterwards in the future state his good things that are everlasting, and to fulfil what has been his …

A commentator

Cosmas Indicopleustes

The Christian Topography, Book 7 · Written before 550.

proposed

All discipline, seemeth for the present to be not joyous but grievous; for without discipline and suffering it is impossible there can be learning. For the purpose of discipline therefore, He made this world mortal and mutable and diversified, in order that by the affliction …

A commentator

John Chrysostom

Homily on Hebrews 30 · Written before 407.

proposed

They who drink bitter medicines, first submit to some unpleasantness, and afterwards feel the benefit. For such is virtue, such is vice. In the latter there is first the pleasure, then the despondency: in the former first the despondency, and then the pleasure. But there is no equality; for it is not the same, to be first grieved and afterwards pleased, and to be first pleased and afterwards grieved. How so? because in the latter case the expectation of coming despondency makes the present pleasure less: but in the former the expectation of coming pleasure cuts away the violence of present despondency; so that the result is that in the one instance we never have pleasure, in the latter we never have grief.

A commentator

John Chrysostom

Homily on Hebrews 30 · Written before 407.

proposed

Ye are suffering, he says. For such is chastisement; such is its beginning. For "no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous but grievous." Well said he, "seemeth not," Chastisement he means is not grievous but "seemeth" so. "All chastisement": not this and that, but "all," both human and spiritual. Seest thou that he argues from our common notions? "Seemeth" (he says) "to be grievous," so that it is not really so. For what sort of grief brings forth joy? So neither does pleasure bring forth despondency. "Nevertheless, afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruits of righteousness to them which have been exercised thereby." Not "fruit" but "fruits," a great abundance. "To them" (he says) "which have been exercised thereby." What is "to them which have been exercised thereby"? To them that have endured for a long while, and been patient. And he uses an auspicious expression. So then, chastisement is exercise, making the athlete strong, and invincible in combats, irresistible in wars. If then "all chastisement" be such, this also will be such: so that we ought to look for good things, and for a sweet and peaceful end. And do not wonder if, being itself hard, it has sweet fruits; since in trees also the bark is almost destitute of all quality, and rough; but the fruits are sweet. But he took it from the common notion. If therefore we ought to look for such things, why do ye vex yourselves? Why, after ye have endured the painful, do ye despond as to the good? The distasteful things which ye had to endure, ye endured: do not then despond as to the recompense.
11 more voices on this verse

The Church Fathers1 voice

A commentator

Oecumenius

The Pseudo-Oecumenian Catena on Hebrews · Written before 550.

proposed

"And indeed they disciplined us for a few days." For they cannot always teach us to make us perfect; but God, who always educates and corrects, makes us perfect. For the death of a father or the growth of a son halts correction.

The Medieval Church2 voices

A commentator

Thomas Aquinas

Commentary on Hebrews · Written before 1274.

681. – He continues: All discipline [chastisement] seems painful rather than pleasant; later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness [justice] to those who have been trained by it. This is the third reason, which is drawn from the benefit of the correction. But since …

A commentator

Theophylact of Ohrid

Commentary on Hebrews · Written before 1107.

proposed

Again from a common thought he took occasion for persuasion and says: "all chastening," both divine and human, "seems not to be joy, but grief." He excellently says: "seems," for in reality it is not grief. For how could it properly be grief, being the …

The Puritans and the Awakening3 voices

Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous,.... These words anticipate an objection, taken from the grief and sorrow that comes by afflictions; and therefore how should they be for profit and advantage?

A commentator

John Wesley

1703–1791

Explanatory Notes upon the New Testament (1755)

Now all chastening - Whether from our earthly or heavenly Father, Is for the present grievous, yet it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness - Holiness and happiness. To them that are exercised thereby - That receive this exercise as from God, and improve it according to his will.

A commentator

Matthew Henry

1662–1714

Commentary on the Whole Bible (1710)

proposed

(2.) The judgment of faith, which corrects that of sense, and declares that a sanctified affliction produces the fruits of righteousness; these fruits are peaceable, and tend to the quieting and comforting of the soul. Affliction produces peace, by producing more righteousness; for the fruit of righteousness is peace.

The Nineteenth Century5 voices

Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous - It does not impart pleasure, nor is this its design. All chastisement is intended to produce pain, and the Christian is as sensitive to pain as others. His religion does not blunt his sensibilities and make him a stoic, but it rather increases his susceptibility to suffering. The Lord Jesus, probably, felt pain, reproach, and contempt more keenly than any other human being ever did; and the Christian feels the loss of a child, or physical suffering, as keenly as anyone.

A commentator

Jamieson, Fausset & Brown

1802–1910

Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (1871)

Gratified wishes, our Father knows, would often be our real curses. fruit of righteousness--righteousness (in practice, springing from faith) is the fruit which chastening, the tree yields (Php 1:11). "Peaceable" (compare Isa 32:17): in contrast to the ordeal of conflict by which it has been won. "Fruit of righteousness to be enjoyed in peace after the conflict" [THOLUCK].
LAST Sunday morning we tried to show you how the uncleanness of sin is removed. By the application of the blood of Christ the guilt of sin is cleansed—by the water which flowed with the blood from the side of Jesus defilement is taken away forever. Our work this morning is to consider the destruction of the power of sin. This is a work which rests in the hands of God the Holy Spirit and is not comprehended under the head ofjustification, but of sanctification. Beware, my Brothers and Sisters, lest you mix these two different things.
LAST Sunday morning we tried to show you how the uncleanness of sin is removed. By the application of the blood of Christ the guilt of sin is cleansed—by the water which flowed with the blood from the side of Jesus defilement is taken away forever. Our work this morning is to consider the destruction of the power of sin. This is a work which rests in the hands of God the Holy Spirit and is not comprehended under the head ofjustification, but of sanctification. Beware, my Brothers and Sisters, lest you mix these two different things. It is in the sense of sanctification that the trials and afflictions of this life have the blessed influence of purging us from sin. It were a very great error to imagine that affliction ever cleans us from the guilt of sin. For if we could be afflicted with all the pangs of the lost spirits in Hell, and that forever, not a single spot of sin would be washed away by all our miseries and tears. Nor are we saved from the pollution of sin by our trials. Our conscience must be purged from dead works by the blood of Jesus alone. If the wedge of gold which Achan stole were accursed, you might have thrust it into the fire as many times as you would, but it would have been accursed still. There were fiery serpents which bit the children of Israel. Their way was long and their journey tedious, but yet I find that they needed the ashes of the red heifer, because that purification did for them what affliction could not do. No amount of affliction can avail, either to take away the guilt or the defilement of sin. It is in this sense that Kent sings— Yet, as we have said, if you separate between sanctification and justification and make a clear distinction between the indwelling power of sin and the guilt of it, then you may clearly perceive the place which affliction holds.

A commentator

Adam Clarke

1762–1832

Commentary on the Bible · Written before 1832.

proposed

No chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous - Neither correction, wholesome restraint, domestic regulations, nor gymnastic discipline, are pleasant to them that are thus exercised; but it is by these means that obedient children, scholars, and great men are made. And it is by God’s discipline that Christians are made. He who does not bear the yoke of Christ is good for nothing to others, and never gains rest to his own soul. The peaceable fruit of righteousness - i.e. The joyous, prosperous fruits; those fruits by which we gain much, and through which we are made happy. Exercised thereby - Γεγυμνασμενοις· To the trained. There is still an allusion to the Grecian games; and in the word before us to those gymnastic exercises by which the candidates for the prizes were trained to the different kinds of exercises in which they were to contend when the games were publicly opened.

The words behind it

23 Greek words

Every Greek word of this verse in the order it stands, with what it means and the door to its own study. The last column counts the times a word stands in the whole Bible: the rarer the word, the more the places it appears belong together.

A shaded row is a word that stands 400 times or fewer in the Bible.

The walk

8 stops

Each card is a verse this one points to, and under it the verses that one points to in turn. Where several paths arrive at the same place, that place is listed first: the text keeps returning to it.

  • Through

    2 Corinthians 4:17

    For our light and momentary affliction is producing for us an eternal weight of glory that is far beyond comparison.

    it leads to

    • 1 Peter 5:10

      And after you have suffered for a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to His eternal glory in Christ, will Himself restore you, secure you, strengthen you, and establish…

      Reached by 2 separate paths from here.

    • Romans 8:18

      I consider that our present sufferings are not comparable to the glory that will be revealed in us.

    • Romans 5:3–5

      Not only that, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance;

    • James 1:12

      Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love Him.

    • Hebrews 12:10–11

      Our fathers disciplined us for a short time as they thought best, but God disciplines us for our good, so that we may share in His holiness.

  • Through

    1 Peter 1:6

    In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in various trials

    it leads to

    • James 1:2

      Consider it pure joy, my brothers, when you encounter trials of many kinds,

    • Romans 12:12

      Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, persistent in prayer.

    • Romans 5:2

      through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God.

Where this verse is studied

About Hebrews

The Meeting of Abraham and Melchizedek, Dieric Bouts, 1464 to 1467. Public domain.
The Meeting of Abraham and Melchizedek, Dieric Bouts, 1464 to 1467. Public domain.
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This page draws on Adam Clarke, Commentary on the Bible; Albert Barnes, Notes, Explanatory and Practical, on the Old and New Testaments (1832-1869); Charles Spurgeon, The Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit, Sermon No. 528: “Chastisement—Now And Afterward” (lightly modernized text, CCEL edition); Cosmas Indicopleustes, The Christian Topography, Book 5; Cosmas Indicopleustes, The Christian Topography, Book 7; Ephrem the Syrian, COMMENTARY ON THE EPISTLE TO THE HEBREWS; Jamieson, Fausset & Brown, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible; John Chrysostom, Homily on Hebrews 30; John Gill, Exposition of the New Testament (1746-1748); John Wesley, Explanatory Notes upon the New Testament; Matthew Henry, Commentary on the Whole Bible; Oecumenius, The Pseudo-Oecumenian Catena on Hebrews; Theophylact of Ohrid, Commentary on Hebrews and Thomas Aquinas, Commentary on Hebrews.