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Hebrews 12:10

in Hebrews 12

Our fathers disciplined us for a short time as they thought best, but God disciplines us for our good, so that we may share in His holiness.

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ASV

For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed good to them; but he for our profit, that we may be partakers of his holiness.

KJV

For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

This verse in Hebrews 12

Commentary

15 notes on this verse

A commentator

Oecumenius

The Pseudo-Oecumenian Catena on Hebrews · Written before 550.

"to what seemed right to them."What seems good to the father does not always benefit the son: for often they teach even disgraceful arts. "however, here for our benefit." Moreover, God always seeks our effectiveness. For He does not bestow as if to receive something …

This site's exposition

we have all had earthly fathers

on Hebrews 12:9-10

The argument runs from lesser to greater, from earthly fathers to the Father of our spirits, a title used only here in the New Testament. Earthly fathers disciplined for a short time, and God disciplines us for our good, so that we may share in His holiness.

This site's exposition

share in His holiness

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown read the short time as the aim of earthly training, which looks only to the few days of this life. Parents err, they add, now in severity and now in indulgence, citing 1 Samuel 3:13. John Wesley calls the holiness God himself and his glorious image.

The record, by era

The Church Fathers3 voices

A commentator

Oecumenius

The Pseudo-Oecumenian Catena on Hebrews · Written before 550.

proposed

"And indeed they disciplined us for a few days." For they cannot always teach us to make us perfect; but God, who always educates and corrects, makes us perfect. For the death of a father or the growth of a son halts correction.

A commentator

John Chrysostom

Homily on Hebrews 29 · Written in the 5th century.

proposed

However the difference arises not from this alone, nor from the persons, but also from the cause itself, and from the fact. For it is not on the same grounds that He and they inflict chastisement: but they did it with a view to "what seemed good to them," that is, fulfilling their own pleasure oftentimes, and not always looking to what was expedient. But here, that cannot be said. For He does this not for any interest of His own but for you, and for your benefit alone. They did it that ye might be useful to themselves also, oftentimes without reason; but here there is nothing of this kind. Seest thou that this also brings consolation? For we are most closely attached to those earthly parents, when we see that not for any interests of their own they either command or advise us: but their earnestness is, wholly and solely, on our account. For this is genuine love, and love in reality, when we are beloved though we be of no use to him who loves us,-not that he may receive, but that he may impart. He chastens, He does everything, He uses all diligence, that we may become capable of receiving His benefits. "For they verily" (he says) "for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure, but He for our profit, that we might be partakers of His holiness." What is "of his holiness"? It is, of His purity, so as to become worthy of Him, according to our power. He earnestly desires that ye may receive, and He does all that He may give you: do ye not earnestly endeavor that ye may receive? "I said unto the Lord," one says, "Thou art my Lord, for of my good things Thou hast no need."

A commentator

John Chrysostom

Homily on Hebrews 29 · Written in the 5th century.

proposed

Therefore chastisement is "profitable"; therefore chastisement is a "participation of holiness." Yea and this greatly: for when it casts out sloth, and evil desire, and love of the things of this life, when it helps the soul, when it causes a light esteem of all things here (for affliction does this), is it not holy? Does it not draw down the grace of the Spirit? Let us consider the righteous, from what cause they all shone brightly forth. Was it not from affliction? And, if you will, let us enumerate them from the first and from the very beginning: Abel, Noah himself; for it is not possible that he, being the only one in that so great multitude of the wicked, should not have been afflicted; for it is said, "Noah being alone perfect in his generation, pleased God." For consider, I beseech you, if now, when we have innumerable persons whose virtue we may emulate, fathers, and children, and teachers, we are thus distressed, what must we suppose he suffered, alone among so many? But should I speak of the circumstances of that strange and wonderful rain? Or should I speak of Abraham, his wanderings one upon another, the carrying away of his wife, the dangers, the wars, the famines? Should I speak of Isaac, what fearful things he underwent, driven from every place, and laboring in vain, and toiling for others? Or of Jacob? for indeed to enumerate all his afflictions is not necessary, but it is reasonable to bring forward the testimony, which he himself gave when speaking with Pharaoh; "Few and evil are my days, and they have not attained to the days of my fathers." Or should I speak of Joseph himself? Or of Moses? Or of Joshua? Or of David? Or of Elijah? Or of Samuel? Or wouldest thou that I speak of all the prophets? Wilt thou not find that all these were made illustrious from their afflictions? Tell me then, dost thou desire to become illustrious from ease and luxury? […]

The Medieval Church2 voices

A commentator

Thomas Aquinas

Commentary on Hebrews · Written before 1274.

proposed

680. – Secondly, there is a difference between human and divine correction; first, as to the end, because the end of human correction is transitory, for it is directed to living well in this life, which lasts a few days; secondly, as to the reason, …

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Theophylact of Ohrid

Commentary on Hebrews · Written before 1107.

proposed

"According to their own will." Of course, what is pleasing to the father does not benefit the son, for many teach even shameful things. "For a few days." For they cannot train us at all times so as to make us perfect. For either the …
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The Puritans and the Awakening3 voices

A commentator

John Wesley

1703–1791

Explanatory Notes upon the New Testament (1755)

For they verily for a few days - How few are even all our day on earth! Chastened us as they thought good - Though frequently they erred therein, by too much either of indulgence or severity. But he always, unquestionably, for our profit, that we may be partakers of his holiness - That is, of himself and his glorious image.
For they verily for a few days chastened us,....

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Matthew Henry

1662–1714

Commentary on the Whole Bible (1710)

proposed

It is always for our profit; and the advantage he intends us thereby is no less than our being partakers of his holiness; it is to correct and cure those sinful disorders which make us unlike to God, and to improve and to increase those graces which are the image of God in us, that we may be and act more like our heavenly Father.

The Nineteenth Century3 voices

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Adam Clarke

1762–1832

Commentary on the Bible · Written before 1832.

For - a few days - The chastisement of our earthly parents lasted only a short time; that of our heavenly Father will also be but a short time, if we submit: and as our parents ceased to correct when we learned obedience; so will our heavenly Father when the end for which he sent the chastisement is accomplished. God delights not in the rod; judgment is his strange work.

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Jamieson, Fausset & Brown

1802–1910

Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (1871)

Showing wherein the chastisement of our heavenly Father is preferable to that of earthly fathers. for a few days--that is, with a view to our well-being in the few days of our earthly life: so the Greek. after their own pleasure--Greek, "according to what seemed fit to themselves." Their rule of chastening is what may seem fit to their own often erring judgment, temper, or caprice.
For they verily for a few days - That is, with reference to a few days (πρὸς pros}; or it was a chastisement that had reference mainly to this short life. The apostle seems to bring in this circumstance to contrast the dealings of earthly parents with those of God. One of the circumstances is, that the corrections of earthly parents had a much less important object than those of God. They related to this life - a life so brief that it may be said to continue but a “few days.” Yet, in order to secure the benefit to be derived for so short a period from fatherly correction, we submitted without complaining. Much more cheerfully ought we to submit to that discipline from the hand of our heavenly Father which is designed to extend its benefits through eternity. This seems to me to afford a better sense than that adopted by Prof. Stuart and others, that it means “during our childhood or minority;” or than that proposed by Doddridge, that it refers both to our earthly parents and to our heavenly Father. After their own pleasure - Margin, “as seemed good, or meet to them.” Meaning that it was sometimes done arbitrarily, or from caprice, or under the influence of passion. This is an additional reason why we should submit to God. We submitted to our earthly parents, though their correction was sometimes passionate, and was designed to gratify their own pleasure rather than to promote our good. There is much of this kind of punishment in families; but there is none of it under the administration of God. But he for our profit - Never from passion, from caprice, from the love of power or superiority, but always for our good. […]

Modern Voices1 voice

A commentator

Leonard Ravenhill

1907–1994

Holiness of God

This almost takes my breath away. It says that you and I, little mortals that come over this earth just for a little span, may be made partakers of his holiness.

The words behind it

22 Greek words

Every Greek word of this verse in the order it stands, with what it means and the door to its own study. The last column counts the times a word stands in the whole Bible: the rarer the word, the more the places it appears belong together.

A shaded row is a word that stands 400 times or fewer in the Bible.

The walk

8 stops

Each card is a verse this one points to, and under it the verses that one points to in turn. Where several paths arrive at the same place, that place is listed first: the text keeps returning to it.

  • Through

    Titus 2:14

    He gave Himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.

    it leads to

    • Hebrews 9:14

      how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself unblemished to God, purify our consciences from works of death, so that we may serve the living God!

    • Ephesians 2:10

      For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life.

    • 1 Peter 2:9

      But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, to proclaim the virtues of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.

  • Through

    2 Peter 1:4

    Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused…

    it leads to

    • Ephesians 4:23–24

      to be renewed in the spirit of your minds;

    • Ezekiel 36:25–27

      I will also sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. I will cleanse you from all your impurities and all your idols.

    • 2 Corinthians 3:18

      And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

    • Colossians 3:10

      and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.

    • 2 Corinthians 6:17

      “Therefore come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you.”

Where this verse is studied

About Hebrews

The Meeting of Abraham and Melchizedek, Dieric Bouts, 1464 to 1467. Public domain.
The Meeting of Abraham and Melchizedek, Dieric Bouts, 1464 to 1467. Public domain.
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This page draws on Adam Clarke, Commentary on the Bible; Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament; Albert Barnes, Notes, Explanatory and Practical, on the Old and New Testaments (1832-1869); Jamieson, Fausset & Brown, Commentary Critical and Explanatory; Jamieson, Fausset & Brown, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible; John Chrysostom, Homily on Hebrews 29; John Gill, Exposition of the New Testament; John Gill, Exposition of the New Testament (1746-1748); John Wesley, Explanatory Notes Upon the New Testament; John Wesley, Explanatory Notes upon the New Testament; Leonard Ravenhill, Holiness of God; Matthew Henry, Commentary on the Whole Bible; Oecumenius, The Pseudo-Oecumenian Catena on Hebrews; Theophylact of Ohrid, Commentary on Hebrews and Thomas Aquinas, Commentary on Hebrews.