Hebrews 12:9
in Hebrews 12Furthermore, we have all had earthly fathers who disciplined us, and we respected them. Should we not much more submit to the Father of our spirits and live?
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ASV
Furthermore, we had the fathers of our flesh to chasten us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
KJV
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
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This verse in Hebrews 12
Commentary
12 notes on this verseBased on their own circumstances, he again shows that it is necessary to endure. For if, when our fathers according to the flesh disciplined us, we did not dare to withdraw, but, being subjected to shame, patiently bore everything they inflicted upon us, then how …
This site's exposition
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us
on Hebrews 12:9-10
The argument moves from the lesser to the greater, fathers of our flesh who corrected us and were still given reverence for it, to the Father of spirits, a title found nowhere else in the New Testament, to whom subjection is due even more. The comparison is pressed on two fronts, duration and purpose: earthly fathers chastened for a few days after their own pleasure, God for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness, discipline aimed not merely at behavior but at the character it is meant to produce.
The record, by era
The Church Fathers3 voices
"Furthermore, we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence." Again, he reasons from their own experiences, from what they themselves suffered. For as he says above, "Call to mind the former days," so here also "God" (he saith) "dealeth with you as with sons," and ye could not say, We cannot bear it: yea, "as with sons" tenderly beloved. For if they reverence their "fathers of the flesh," how shall not you reverence your heavenly Father?
"Furthermore," he saith, "we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection to the Father of spirits, and live?" ("To the Father of spirits," whether of spiritual gifts, or of prayers, or of the incorporeal powers.) If we die thus, then "we shall live. For they indeed for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure," for what seems so is not always profitable, but "He for our profit."
"and we respected them for it." We heard, he says, and we respected them. "Father of spirits." Whether of spiritual gifts or of souls or spiritual virtues. "and live." For this is life, to be subject to God.
The Medieval Church1 voice
679. – Then (v. 9) he gives the second reason drawn from our own experience, namely, paternal correction. This proceeds according to the twofold difference between God the Father and the father of our flesh. The first difference is that a man begets a man …
The Puritans and the Awakening1 voice
Perhaps these expressions, fathers of our flesh, and Father of spirits, intimate that our earthly fathers are only the parents of our bodies, our souls not being originally derived from them, but all created by the immediate power of God; perhaps, at the beginning of the world.
5 more voices on this verse
The Puritans and the Awakening2 voices
Furthermore, we have had fathers of our flesh,.... Earthly parents; who are so called, because they are the immediate causes and instruments of the generation of their children, and of their fleshly bodies and worldly beings; and to distinguish them from the Father of spirits: and this shows, that they have not the spirit or soul from them, only the flesh or body, and which is frail and corrupt; and therefore goes by this name.
It is always for our profit; and the advantage he intends us thereby is no less than our being partakers of his holiness; it is to correct and cure those sinful disorders which make us unlike to God, and to improve and to increase those graces which are the image of God in us, that we may be and act more like our heavenly Father.
The Nineteenth Century3 voices
A commentator
Albert Barnes1798–1870
Notes, Explanatory and Practical, on the Old and New Testaments (1832-1869)
Furthermore - As an additional consideration to induce us to receive chastisement with submission. The argument in this verse is derived from the difference in the spirit and design with which we are corrected by God and by an earthly parent. In God everything is without any intermingling of passion or any improper feeling. In an earthly parent there is often much that is the result of hasty emotion, of an irascible temper, perhaps of the mere love of power.
A commentator
Jamieson, Fausset & Brown1802–1910
Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (1871)
Father of spirits--contrasted with "the fathers of our flesh." "Generation by men is carnal, by God is spiritual" [BENGEL]. As "Father of spirits," He is both the Originator, and the Providential and Gracious Sustainer, at once of animal and spiritual life. Compare "and LIVE," namely, spiritually; also Heb 12:10, "that we might be partakers of His holiness" (2Pe 1:4).
We have had fathers of our flesh - The fathers of our flesh, i.e. our natural parents, were correctors; and we reverenced them, notwithstanding their corrections often arose from whim or caprice: but shall we not rather be in subjection to the Father of spirits; to him from whom we have received both body and soul; who is our Creator, Preserver, and Supporter; to whom both we and our parents owe our life and our blessings; and who corrects us only for our profit; that we may live and be partakers of his holiness? The apostle in asking, Shall we not much rather be in subjection to the Father of spirits, and live? alludes to the punishment of the stubborn and rebellious son, Deu 21:18-21: “If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, who will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them; then shall his father and mother lay hold on him and bring him to the elders of the city, and they shall say, This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice: and all the men of the city shall stone him with stones that he Die.” Had he been subject to his earthly parents, he would have lived; because not subject, he dies. If we be subject to our heavenly Father, we shall Live, and be partakers of his holiness; if not, we shall Die, and be treated as bastards and not sons. This is the sum of the apostle’s meaning; and the fact and the law to which he alludes.
The words behind it
22 Greek wordsEvery Greek word of this verse in the order it stands, with what it means and the door to its own study. The last column counts the times a word stands in the whole Bible: the rarer the word, the more the places it appears belong together.
| Greek | Sound | Meaning | Word study | In the Bible |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| εἶτα | eita | Furthermore | G1534 → | |
| τοὺς | tous | <the> | G3588 → | 19766 times |
| μὲν | men | indeed | G3303 → | 176 times |
| τῆς | tes | of the | G3588 → | 19766 times |
| σαρκὸς | sarkos | flesh | G4561 → | 146 times |
| ἡμῶν | hemon | of us | G3165 → | 1936 times |
| πατέρας | pateras | fathers | G3962 → | 410 times |
| εἴχομεν | eichomen | we were having | G2192 → | 707 times |
| παιδευτὰς | paideutas | correctors | G3810 → | |
| καὶ | kai | and | G2532 → | 9120 times |
| ἐνετρεπόμεθα· | enetrepometha | we were respecting [them]; | G1788 → | |
| οὐ | ou | not | G3756 → | 1664 times |
| πολὺ | polu | much | G4183 → | 367 times |
| δὲ | de | however | G1161 → | 2765 times |
| μᾶλλον | mallon | more | G3123 → | 81 times |
| ὑποταγησόμεθα | hupotagesometha | will we be in subjection | G5293 → | 38 times |
| τῷ | to | to the | G3588 → | 19766 times |
| πατρὶ | patri | Father | G3962 → | 410 times |
| τῶν | ton | <the> | G3588 → | 19766 times |
| πνευμάτων | pneumaton | of spirits | G4151 → | 378 times |
| καὶ | kai | and | G2532 → | 9120 times |
| ζήσομεν; | zesomen | will live? | G2198 → | 139 times |
εἶταFurthermore
eitaG1534 →
τοὺς<the>
tousG3588 →19766 times
μὲνindeed
menG3303 →176 times
τῆςof the
tesG3588 →19766 times
σαρκὸςflesh
sarkosG4561 →146 times
ἡμῶνof us
hemonG3165 →1936 times
πατέραςfathers
paterasG3962 →410 times
εἴχομενwe were having
eichomenG2192 →707 times
παιδευτὰςcorrectors
paideutasG3810 →
καὶand
kaiG2532 →9120 times
ἐνετρεπόμεθα·we were respecting [them];
enetrepomethaG1788 →
οὐnot
ouG3756 →1664 times
πολὺmuch
poluG4183 →367 times
δὲhowever
deG1161 →2765 times
μᾶλλονmore
mallonG3123 →81 times
ὑποταγησόμεθαwill we be in subjection
hupotagesomethaG5293 →38 times
τῷto the
toG3588 →19766 times
πατρὶFather
patriG3962 →410 times
τῶν<the>
tonG3588 →19766 times
πνευμάτωνof spirits
pneumatonG4151 →378 times
καὶand
kaiG2532 →9120 times
ζήσομεν;will live?
zesomenG2198 →139 times
A shaded row is a word that stands 400 times or fewer in the Bible.
The walk
8 stopsEach card is a verse this one points to, and under it the verses that one points to in turn. Where several paths arrive at the same place, that place is listed first: the text keeps returning to it.
Through
Isaiah 42:5This is what God the LORD says—He who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and its offspring, who gives breath to the people on it and life to…
it leads to
- Zechariah 12:1
This is the burden of the word of the LORD concerning Israel. Thus declares the LORD, who stretches out the heavens and lays the foundation of the earth, who forms the spirit of man…
Reached by 2 separate paths from here.
- Isaiah 40:22
He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth; its dwellers are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
- Isaiah 45:12
It is I who made the earth and created man upon it. It was My hands that stretched out the heavens, and I ordained all their host.
- Jeremiah 10:12
The LORD made the earth by His power; He established the world by His wisdom and stretched out the heavens by His understanding.
- Isaiah 48:13
Surely My own hand founded the earth, and My right hand spread out the heavens; when I summon them, they stand up together.
- Zechariah 12:1
Through
John 3:6Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit.
it leads to
- Galatians 5:16–21
So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.
- Ezekiel 36:26–27
I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
- Galatians 5:16–21
Through
Numbers 27:16“May the LORD, the God of the spirits of all flesh, appoint a man over the congregation
it leads to
- Numbers 16:22
But Moses and Aaron fell facedown and said, “O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, when one man sins, will You be angry with the whole congregation?”
Reached by 2 separate paths from here.
- Numbers 16:22
Where this verse is studied
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- The General Epistles
- Eternal Security, and the Five Warnings of Hebrews
- Fire
- The Fruit of the Spirit
- Hebrews, the Study Guide
- Once for All: the Finished Sacrifice
- Made Holy
- Let Us Now Praise Famous Men
- The Firstborn
- The Mountain
- The Race
- The Right Hand
- The God Who Sings: Zephaniah 3:17
- The Throne
- Zion & Jerusalem
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This page draws on Adam Clarke, Commentary on the Bible; Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament; Albert Barnes, Notes, Explanatory and Practical, on the Old and New Testaments (1832-1869); Jamieson, Fausset & Brown, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible; John Chrysostom, Homily on Hebrews 29; John Gill, Exposition of the New Testament; John Gill, Exposition of the New Testament (1746-1748); John Wesley, Explanatory Notes upon the New Testament; Matthew Henry, Commentary on the Whole Bible; Oecumenius, The Pseudo-Oecumenian Catena on Hebrews; Theophylact of Ohrid, Commentary on Hebrews and Thomas Aquinas, Commentary on Hebrews.
