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Daniel 4:17

in Daniel 4

This decision is the decree of the watchers, the verdict declared by the holy ones, so that the living will know that the Most High rules over the kingdom of mankind and gives it to whom He wishes, setting over it the lowliest of men.’

BSB

The same verse in ASV and KJV ▾

ASV

The sentence is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones; to the intent that the living may know that the Most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the lowest of men.

KJV

This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.

This verse in Daniel 4

Commentary

11 notes on this verse
This matter is by the decree of the watchers - See the notes at Dan 4:13. They are described here not only as watching over the affairs of men, but as entrusted wth the execution of high and important designs of God. The representation is, that one of these heavenly beings was seen by Nebuchadnezzar in his visions, and that this one stated to him that he had come to execute what had been determined on by his associates, or in counsel with others.

This site's exposition

given the mind of a beast

on Daniel 4:16-18

The sentence takes from the king the mind of a man and gives him “the mind of a beast till seven times pass him by”. Its purpose, “that the Most High rules over the kingdom of mankind,” returns at verse 25 and from heaven at verse 32.

This site's exposition

the decree of the watchers

The verse calls the sentence “the decree of the watchers,” which is also “the verdict declared by the holy ones”. Verse 24 names the same sentence as the Most High's own decree, so the watchers declare what He has decided.

The record, by era

The Church Fathers3 voices

A commentator

Hippolytus of Rome

Commentary on Daniel 3.4.1-8 · Written before 235.

proposed

The dream which was seen by Nebuchadnezzar was displayed as a punishment for the king himself, whose heart was exalted and lifted up against God, having set up a golden image and having forced all to be idolaters, it was shown to him through a vision that even he might see that he has the lot of being under the authority of God, even if he seems to at some time reign over all the kings of the earth. And so that it may be shown that the kingdom which was given to him was from God, Daniel said to him, "You O king, are a king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given a strong and powerful and honorable kingdom in every place where the sons of men dwell." [Daniel 2:37-38] And the king himself, having been amazed at the dream which Daniel interpreted, spoke similarly, "In truth your God, he is God of gods and Lord of lords because he is able to reveal this mystery." [Daniel 2:47] And so when he forgot the first matters and he was later arrogantly lifted up, he received this punishment from God as an example and a model which was meant for all human tyrants and kings, so as they who think they are above man may not brag, and that they who are lifted up may not boast against God, but they may foresee their danger and may fear God, seeing that they also have a Lord in the heavens. For also Antiochus who was called Epiphanes, who became the king of Syria, who tortured the slaves of God with various torments, and having undertaken baser things at last even he came upon the deserved retribution from God and was punished with divine scourges, and he was not even able to endure his own stench, but while he was still living, worms swarmed from his impious eyes, and though proclaiming many entreaties and confessions to God, his salvation did come upon him. […]

A commentator

Theodoret of Cyrus

COMMENTARY ON DANIEL 4:17 · Written before 458.

proposed

This is what the angel means, that the fate of the tree will come to pass for this purpose, for everyone to know through this that there is one God, Lord and King, who appoints kings on the earth and entrusts the kingdom to whomever …

A commentator

Jerome

St. Jerome, Commentary on Daniel, CHAPTER FOUR · Written before 420.

proposed

Verse 17. "In the decision of the watchmen, i.e., the angels, lies the decree and the speech and the petition of the holy ones." Moreover it is both Greek and Latin usage to call the rainbow iris, because it is said to descend to earth in a multicolored arch.

The Puritans and the Awakening2 voices

A commentator

Matthew Henry

1662–1714

Commentary on the Whole Bible (1710)

It is by the decree of the watchers; not that the great God needs the counsel or concurrence of the angels in any thing he determines or does, but, as he uses their ministration in executing his counsels, so he is sometimes represented, after the manner of men, as if he consulted them. So it denotes the solemnity of this sentence.

A commentator

John Wesley

1703–1791

Explanatory Notes upon the Old Testament (1765)

proposed

Of the holy ones - The decree was God's, and the demand was of the holy angels; if God enact it, the angels had the dispensation of it put into their hands, and they all consent to it as a just judgment of God to be executed by them according to the will of God. The most high ruleth - Nebuchadnezzar and his flatterers conceded he was a God in earth unaccountable to any.
3 more voices on this verse

The Puritans and the Awakening1 voice

This matter is by the decree of the watchers,....

The Nineteenth Century2 voices

A commentator

Jamieson, Fausset & Brown

1802–1910

Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (1871)

Not only as members of God's council (Da 7:10; Zec 1:10) do they subscribe to His "decree," but that decree is in answer to their prayers, wherein they demand that every mortal who tries to obscure the glory of God shall be humbled [CALVIN]. Angels are grieved when God's prerogative is in the least infringed.

A commentator

Adam Clarke

1762–1832

Commentary on the Bible · Written before 1832.

proposed

This matter is by the decree of the watchers - See on Dan 4:13 (note). The Most High ruleth - He never leaves the government of the world to man, to second causes, or to fortuitous occurrences. What are thus called are his agents; they are no moving causes. And setteth up - the basest of men - “Tyrants and kings from Jove proceed Those are permitted, these decreed.” The throne ennobles no man: to be properly filled, the man must be noble. Some of the greatest and some of the meanest of men have sat on the throne. Kings differ in education, seldom in intellect, from the common mass of men; the power and authority are from God. The king himself may be given either in mercy or in wrath. When James II ruled this kingdom, it might well be said, God hath set up over it the basest of men. His successor was one of the best. The former nearly ruined it both in a civil and religious point of view; the latter was the means of restoring it in both these respects.

The words behind it

24 Hebrew words

Every Hebrew word of this verse in the order it stands, with what it means and the door to its own study. The last column counts the times a word stands in the whole Bible: the rarer the word, the more the places it appears belong together.

  • בִּגְזֵרַ֤ת[is] by [the] decree of

    bigzeratH1510 →

  • עִירִין֙watchers

    ʾirinH5894 →3 times

  • פִּתְגָמָ֔אcommand the

    pitgama'H6600 →

  • וּמֵאמַ֥רand [is by the] word of

    umemarH3983 →

  • קַדִּישִׁ֖יןholy [ones]

    kadishinH6922 →13 times

  • שְׁאֵֽלְתָ֑אaffair the

    sheeleta'H7595 →

  • עַד־to

    ʾad-H5705 →35 times

  • דִּבְרַ֡ת[the] cause

    divratH1701 →

  • דִּ֣י<of> that

    diH1768 →345 times

  • יִנְדְּע֣וּןthey will know

    yindeunH3046 →47 times

  • חַ֠יַּיָּאliving [people] the

    chaiyaiya'H2417 →7 times

  • דִּֽי־that

    di-H1768 →345 times

  • שַׁלִּ֨יט[is] having mastery

    shalitH7990 →10 times

  • עִלָּאָ֜הMost High the

    ilaya'H5943 →10 times

  • בְּמַלְכ֣וּתover [the] kingdom of

    bemalkhutH4437 →57 times

  • אֲנָשָׁ֗אhuman the

    ʾenosha'H606 →25 times

  • וּלְמַן־and to whomever

    uleman-H4479 →10 times

  • דִּ֤יwhom

    diH1768 →345 times

  • יִצְבֵּא֙he will be pleased

    yitzbe'H6634 →10 times

  • יִתְּנִנַּ֔הּhe will give it

    yiteninahH5415 →7 times

  • וּשְׁפַ֥לand a lowly [one] of

    ushefalH8215 →

  • אֲנָשִׁ֖יםhumankind

    ʾanashimH606 →25 times

  • יְקִ֥יםhe will set up

    yekimH6966 →35 times

  • עֲלַֽהּ׃over it

    alaiyahH5922 →104 times

A shaded row is a word that stands 400 times or fewer in the Bible.

The walk

8 stops

Each card is a verse this one points to, and under it the verses that one points to in turn. Where several paths arrive at the same place, that place is listed first: the text keeps returning to it.

  • Through

    Daniel 2:21

    He changes the times and seasons; He removes kings and establishes them. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning.

    it leads to

    • Psalms 113:7–8

      He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the dump

      Reached by 2 separate paths from here.

    • Psalms 75:5–7

      Do not lift up your horn against heaven or speak with an outstretched neck.’”

    • Psalms 31:14–15

      But I trust in You, O LORD; I say, “You are my God.”

    • Daniel 7:25

      He will speak out against the Most High and oppress the saints of the Most High, intending to change the appointed times and laws; and the saints will be given into his hand for…

    • James 3:15–17

      Such wisdom does not come from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic.

  • Through

    1 Samuel 2:8

    He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap. He seats them among princes and bestows on them a throne of honor. For the foundations of the earth…

    it leads to

    • Daniel 2:48

      Then the king promoted Daniel and gave him many generous gifts. He made him ruler over the entire province of Babylon and chief administrator over all the wise men of Babylon.

    • James 2:5

      Listen, my beloved brothers: Has not God chosen the poor of this world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom He promised those who love Him?

    • Daniel 6:3

      Soon, by his extraordinary spirit, Daniel distinguished himself among the administrators and satraps. So the king planned to set him over the whole kingdom.

Where this verse is studied

About Daniel

Daniel among the Exiles, Gustave Doré, 1866. Public domain.
Daniel among the Exiles, Gustave Doré, 1866. Public domain.
This page draws on 10 works. Open the list of works

This page draws on Adam Clarke, Commentary on the Bible; Albert Barnes, Notes, Explanatory and Practical, on the Old and New Testaments (1832-1869); Carl Friedrich Keil, Biblical Commentary on the Book of Daniel; Hippolytus of Rome, Commentary on Daniel 3.4.1-8; Jamieson, Fausset & Brown, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible; Jerome, St. Jerome, Commentary on Daniel, CHAPTER FOUR; John Gill, Exposition of the Old Testament (1748-1763); John Wesley, Explanatory Notes upon the Old Testament; Matthew Henry, Commentary on the Whole Bible and Theodoret of Cyrus, COMMENTARY ON DANIEL 4:17.