1 Thessalonians 3:4
in 1 Thessalonians 3Indeed, when we were with you, we kept warning you that we would suffer persecution; and as you know, it has come to pass.
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The same verse in ASV and KJV ▾
ASV
For verily, when we were with you, we told you beforehand that we are to suffer affliction; even as it came to pass, and ye know.
KJV
For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.
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This verse in 1 Thessalonians 3
Commentary
9 notes on this verseThat we should suffer tribulation - I prepared you for it, because I knew that it was according to their nature for wicked men to persecute the followers of God.
This site's exposition
none of you would be shaken by these trials
on 1 Thessalonians 3:3-4
Timothy went so that none of you would be shaken by these trials, shaken carrying the sense of being moved loose from a fixed place. The words we are destined for this ground the answer in earlier teaching, suffering as the church's calling, expected from the start.
This site's exposition
we kept warning you
Paul had warned them more than once. Thomas Aquinas and Theophylact of Ohrid both observe that trouble foretold does less harm, because it arrives as expected. Jamieson, Fausset and Brown set the verse beside John 13:19, where Jesus speaks before the event so that His disciples will believe.
The record, by era
The Church Fathers1 voice
"That no man be moved by these afflictions; for yourselves know that hereunto we are appointed. For verily, when we were with you, we told you beforehand that we are to suffer affliction; even as it came to pass, and ye know." What then does he say here? Because the temptations of the teachers trouble their disciples, and he had then fallen into many temptations, as also he himself says, that "Satan hindered us," always saying this; "both once," he says, "and again I would have come to you," and was not able, which was a proof of great violence. And it was reasonable that this should trouble them, for they are not so much troubled at their own temptations, as at those of their teachers; as neither is the soldier so much troubled at his own trials, as when he sees his general wounded. "To establish you," he says; not that they were at all deficient in faith, nor that they required to learn anything. Ye ought not, he says, to be troubled, for nothing strange, nothing contrary to expectation is happening; which was sufficient to raise them up. For do you see that on this account also Christ foretold to His disciples? For hear Him saying, "Now I have told you before it came to pass, that when it is come to pass ye may believe." (John xiv. 29) For greatly indeed, greatly does it tend to the comfort of others, to have heard from their teachers what is to happen. For as he that is sick, if he hear from his physician that this or that is taking place, is not much troubled; but if anything happen unexpectedly, as if he too were at a loss, and the disorder was beyond his art, he is afflicted and troubled; so also is it here. Which Paul fore-knowing, foretold to them, "we are about to be afflicted," "as it came to pass, and ye know." He not only says that this came to pass, but that he foretold many things, and they happened. […]
The Medieval Church2 voices
It is a great consolation for disciples when the teacher has told them about afflictions beforehand. For afterwards they were not troubled by them as by something unexpected. Therefore Christ also said to the apostles: "I told you before it came to pass, that when …
The other consideration strengthening them is a prediction concerning the future, for anticipated difficulties are less harmful. So Paul tells them: for when we were with you, we told you beforehand that we were to suffer affliction, that is, Paul had warned them about the …
The Puritans and the Awakening1 voice
For, verily, when we were with you,....
The Nineteenth Century1 voice
A commentator
Jamieson, Fausset & Brown1802–1910
Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (1871)
proposed
that we should suffer--Greek, "that we are about (we are sure) to suffer" according to the appointment of God (1Th 3:3). even as--"even (exactly) as it both came to pass and ye know"; ye know both that it came to pass, and that we foretold it (compare Joh 13:19). The correspondence of the event to the prediction powerfully confirms faith: "Forewarned, forearmed" [EDMUNDS].
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1 more voice on this verse
The Nineteenth Century1 voice
A commentator
Albert Barnes1798–1870
Notes, Explanatory and Practical, on the Old and New Testaments (1832-1869)
proposed
For verily, when we were with you, we told you before ... - It is not mentioned in the history Acts 17 that Paul thus predicted that special trials would come upon them, but there is no improbability in what is here said. He was with them long enough to discourse to them on a great variety of topics, and nothing can be more probable, than that in their circumstances, the subjects of persecution and affliction would be prominent topics of discourse. There was every reason to apprehend that they would meet with opposition on account of their religion, and nothing was more natural than that Paul should endearour to prepare their minds for it beforehand, That we should suffer tribulation - We who preached to you; perhaps also including those to whom they preached. Even as it came to pass, and ye know - When Paul, Silas, and Timothy were driven away, and when the church was so much agitated, by the opposition of the Jews; Act 17:5-8.
The words behind it
16 Greek wordsEvery Greek word of this verse in the order it stands, with what it means and the door to its own study. The last column counts the times a word stands in the whole Bible: the rarer the word, the more the places it appears belong together.
| Greek | Sound | Meaning | Word study | In the Bible |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| καὶ | kai | And | G2532 → | 9120 times |
| γὰρ | gar | indeed | G1063 → | 1039 times |
| ὅτε | hote | when | G3753 → | |
| πρὸς | pros | with | G4314 → | 700 times |
| ὑμᾶς | humas | you | G4771 → | 2973 times |
| ἦμεν, | emen | we were, | G1510 → | 2333 times |
| προελέγομεν | proelegomen | we were telling beforehand | G4302 → | |
| ὑμῖν | humin | you | G4771 → | 2973 times |
| ὅτι | hoti | that | G3754 → | 1292 times |
| μέλλομεν | mellomen | we are about | G3195 → | |
| θλίβεσθαι | thlibesthai | to suffer affliction | G2346 → | |
| καθὼς | kathos | even as | G2531 → | 182 times |
| καὶ | kai | also | G2532 → | 9120 times |
| ἐγένετο | egeneto | it came to pass | G1096 → | 667 times |
| καὶ | kai | and | G2532 → | 9120 times |
| οἴδατε· | oidate | you know; |
καὶAnd
kaiG2532 →9120 times
γὰρindeed
garG1063 →1039 times
ὅτεwhen
hoteG3753 →
πρὸςwith
prosG4314 →700 times
ὑμᾶςyou
humasG4771 →2973 times
ἦμεν,we were,
emenG1510 →2333 times
προελέγομενwe were telling beforehand
proelegomenG4302 →
ὑμῖνyou
huminG4771 →2973 times
ὅτιthat
hotiG3754 →1292 times
μέλλομενwe are about
mellomenG3195 →
θλίβεσθαιto suffer affliction
thlibesthaiG2346 →
καθὼςeven as
kathosG2531 →182 times
καὶalso
kaiG2532 →9120 times
ἐγένετοit came to pass
egenetoG1096 →667 times
καὶand
kaiG2532 →9120 times
οἴδατε·you know;
oidate
A shaded row is a word that stands 400 times or fewer in the Bible.
The walk
8 stopsEach card is a verse this one points to, and under it the verses that one points to in turn. Where several paths arrive at the same place, that place is listed first: the text keeps returning to it.
Through
1 Thessalonians 2:2As you are aware, we had already endured suffering and shameful treatment in Philippi. But in the face of strong opposition, we were bold in our God to speak to you the gospel of…
it leads to
- Acts 4:13
When they saw the boldness of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they marveled and took note that these men had been with Jesus.
- Acts 16:22–24
The crowd joined in the attack against Paul and Silas, and the magistrates ordered that they be stripped and beaten with rods.
- Acts 17:2–9
As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbaths he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
- Acts 4:13
Through
1 Thessalonians 2:14For you, brothers, became imitators of the churches of God in Judea that are in Christ Jesus. You suffered from your own countrymen the very things they suffered from the Jews,
it leads to
- Hebrews 10:33–34
Sometimes you were publicly exposed to ridicule and persecution; at other times you were partners with those who were so treated.
- Hebrews 5:7–8
During the days of Jesus’ earthly life, He offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the One who could save Him from death, and He was heard because of His…
- 2 Thessalonians 1:4
That is why we boast among God’s churches about your perseverance and faith in the face of all the persecution and affliction you are enduring.
- 2 Corinthians 8:1–2
Now, brothers, we want you to know about the grace that God has given the churches of Macedonia.
- Galatians 1:22
I was personally unknown, however, to the churches of Judea that are in Christ.
- Hebrews 10:33–34
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About 1 Thessalonians

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This page draws on Adam Clarke, Commentary on the Bible; Albert Barnes, Notes, Explanatory and Practical, on the Old and New Testaments (1832-1869); Jamieson, Fausset & Brown, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible; John Chrysostom, Homily on 1 Thessalonians 3; John Gill, Exposition of the New Testament; John Gill, Exposition of the New Testament (1746-1748); Matthew Henry, Commentary on the Whole Bible; Theophylact of Ohrid, Commentary on 1 Thessalonians and Thomas Aquinas, Commentary on 1 Thessalonians.
