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Job 12:2

in Job 12

“Truly then you are the people with whom wisdom itself will die!

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The same verse in ASV and KJV ▾

ASV

No doubt but ye are the people, And wisdom shall die with you.

KJV

No doubt but ye are the people, and wisdom shall die with you.

This verse in Job 12

Commentary

11 notes on this verse

A commentator

Hesychius of Jerusalem

HOMILIES ON JOB 15.12.2 · Written before 450.

Job speaks in an admirable way. Instead of briefly saying, "You would not be able to be men," he questions them, and what does he ask? "So are you really men, and shall wisdom die with you?" This means, "Is the honor of rational beings …

This site's exposition

Then Job answered

on Job 12:1-3

Job answers all three friends with "Truly then you are the people with whom wisdom itself will die", the book's sharpest irony. The sarcasm is plain, since he at once claims, "I am not inferior to you". The friends have told him nothing new.

This site's exposition

wisdom itself will die

Job answers his friends with irony. Clarke and Barnes read the line as sarcasm: the friends speak as the only wise people on earth, and wisdom itself would die with them. Matthew Henry hears Job answer the wild donkey of Job 11:12.

The record, by era

The Medieval Church2 voices

A commentator

Gregory the Dialogist

Morals on the Book of Job, Book X · Written before 604.

No doubt but ye are the only men, and wisdom shall die with you. Now Zophar would have said this aright, if blessed Job had not proclaimed it all more fully even by living accordingly.

A commentator

Thomas Aquinas

Commentary on Job · Written before 1274.

proposed

In the preceding chapter Sophar had tried to show that man cannot understand the secrets of the wisdom of God (11:6) to insult Job who seemed almost to demand a debate with God. So one can posit from his words and the words of the …

The Puritans and the Awakening3 voices

A commentator

Matthew Henry

1662–1714

Commentary on the Whole Bible (1710)

When wise men and good men die it is a comfort to think that wisdom and goodness shall not die with them. Some think Job here reflects upon Zophar's comparing him (as he thought) and others to the wild ass's colt, ch. xi. "Yes," says he, "we must be asses; you are the only men." 2.

A commentator

John Wesley

1703–1791

Explanatory Notes upon the Old Testament (1765)

proposed

All the wisdom which is in the world, lives in you, and will be utterly lost when you die. When wise and good men die, it is a comfort to think that wisdom and goodness do not die with them: it is folly to think, that there will be a great, irreparable loss of us when we are gone, since God has the residue of the spirit, and can raise up others more fit to do his work.
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3 more voices on this verse

The Nineteenth Century3 voices

A commentator

Adam Clarke

1762–1832

Commentary on the Bible · Written before 1832.

No doubt but ye are the people - Doubtless ye are the wisest men in the world; all wisdom is concentrated in you; and when ye die, there will no more be found on the face of the earth! This is a strong irony.

A commentator

Jamieson, Fausset & Brown

1802–1910

Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (1871)

proposed

wisdom shall die with you--Ironical, as if all the wisdom in the world was concentrated in them and would expire when they expired. Wisdom makes "a people:" a foolish nation is "not a people" (Ro 10:19).

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No doubt but ye are the people - That is, the only wise people. You have engrossed all the wisdom of the world, and all else are to be regarded as fools. This is evidently the language of severe sarcasm; and it shows a spirit fretted and chafed by their reproaches. Job felt contempt for their reasoning. and meant to intimate that their maxims, on which they placed so much reliance, were common-place, and such as every one was familar with. And wisdom shall die with you - This is ironical, but it is language such as is common perhaps every where. “The people of the East,” says Roberts, “take great pleasure in irony, and some of their satirical sayings are very cutting. When a sage intimates that he has superior wisdom or when he is disposed to rally another for his meagrc attainments, he says, ‘Yes, yes, you are the man! ‘ ‘Your wisdom is like the sea.’ ‘When you die, whither will wisdom go?’” In a serious sense, language like this is used by the Classical writers to describe the death of eminently great or good men. They speak of wisdom, bravery, piety, or music, as dying with them. Thus, Moschus, Idyll. iii. 12. Ὅττι βίων τέθνηκεν ὁ βώκολος, ἔττι σὺν αὐτῷ Καὶ τὸ μέλος τέθνακε, καὶ ὤλετο Δωρίς ἀειδός. Hotti biōn tethnēken ho bōkolos, esti sun autō Kai to melos tethnake, kai ōleto Dōris aeidos. “Bion the swain is dead, and with him song Has died, and the Doric muse has perished.” Expressions like these are common. Thus, in the “Pleasures of Hope” it is said: And Freedom shrieked when Kosciusko fell.

The words behind it

7 Hebrew words

Every Hebrew word of this verse in the order it stands, with what it means and the door to its own study. The last column counts the times a word stands in the whole Bible: the rarer the word, the more the places it appears belong together.

  • אָ֭מְנָםtruly

    ʾamenomH551 →9 times

  • כִּ֣יthat

    kiH3588 →4482 times

  • אַתֶּם־you

    ʾatem-H859 →1094 times

  • עָ֑ם[are the] people

    ʾamH5971 →1873 times

  • וְ֝עִמָּכֶ֗םand with you

    veimakhemH5973 →1050 times

  • תָּמ֥וּתit will die

    tamutH4191 →839 times

  • חָכְמָֽה׃wisdom

    chokhmahH2451 →153 times

A shaded row is a word that stands 400 times or fewer in the Bible.

The walk

8 stops

Each card is a verse this one points to, and under it the verses that one points to in turn. Where several paths arrive at the same place, that place is listed first: the text keeps returning to it.

  • Through

    Isaiah 5:21

    Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight.

    it leads to

    • 1 Corinthians 3:18–20

      Let no one deceive himself. If any of you thinks he is wise in this age, he should become a fool, so that he may become wise.

    • Proverbs 3:7

      Be not wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and turn away from evil.

    • Romans 12:16

      Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but enjoy the company of the lowly. Do not be conceited.

    • Proverbs 26:12

      Do you see a man who is wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.

    • Proverbs 26:16

      The slacker is wiser in his own eyes than seven men who answer discreetly.

  • Through

    1 Corinthians 6:5

    I say this to your shame. Is there really no one among you wise enough to arbitrate between his brothers?

    it leads to

    • 1 Corinthians 4:14

      I am not writing this to shame you, but to warn you as my beloved children.

    • 1 Corinthians 15:34

      Sober up as you ought, and stop sinning; for some of you are ignorant of God. I say this to your shame.

    • James 3:13–18

      Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good conduct, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom.

About Job

Job Hears of His Misfortunes, Gustave Doré, 1866. Public domain.
Job Hears of His Misfortunes, Gustave Doré, 1866. Public domain.
This page draws on 11 works. Open the list of works

This page draws on Adam Clarke, Commentary on the Bible; Albert Barnes, Notes, Explanatory and Practical, on the Old and New Testaments; Albert Barnes, Notes, Explanatory and Practical, on the Old and New Testaments (1832-1869); Gregory the Dialogist, Morals on the Book of Job, Book X; Hesychius of Jerusalem, HOMILIES ON JOB 15.12.2; Jamieson, Fausset & Brown, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible; John Gill, Exposition of the Old Testament; John Gill, Exposition of the Old Testament (1748-1763); John Wesley, Explanatory Notes upon the Old Testament; Matthew Henry, Commentary on the Whole Bible and Thomas Aquinas, Commentary on Job.